Red Tag: Tarkin

Tarkin is showing an unusual alignment problem. Is red-tagged for now. I don’t quite understand the nature of the problem. Realigning without knowing the cause can complicate the problem.

The day before, I found an alignment prob the seemed to go back to a mirror that should never need to be touched but it I couldn’t see any other way to explain the error. Then another alignment error appeared the next day which also falls under “inexplicable” but this one could not be attributed to the optic I had just adjusted. And nothing appears loose or some other obvious cause.

I doubt this is the case, but if anyone tried to adjust something to try to fix it, please let me know. This isn’t about anyone being in trouble, it would greatly help me understand what’s really going on.

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Hey yall, any updates on this?

best theory right now is the heavy rains have caused the foundation to shift. And it’s still going on.
I saved the marks from testing yesterday and made new marks today, they’ve moved.

That corner of the parking lot has a section that developed a big dropoff and it seems recent- well, worse than before the rains

i hesitate to believe this, but it looks like the foundation slab is deformed and still moving

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I’m measuring the foundation has shifted 0.6deg and 0.8 deg in the past 20hrs

That’s crazy

that hole in the foundation is a downspout drain from the roof? if the shift is from water, wouldn’t extending it away from the foundation help?

the spout wouldn’t matter.
the soil became saturated unevenly, and that short but steep slope of soil separating our parking lot from the next one to the south seems to have sunk. “collapsed” might be an overly dramatic term but it dropped a significant amount

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So the issue for the laser is that the ground movement is causing the laser frame to rack (do to it’s large size) and thus the alignments are changing?

I am absolutely amazed at that level of deduction! Well done. Of course, if that is the cause, then it will be a long term issue if the laser stays in that location.

one reading from an angle finder isn’t accurate enough to mean anything.

first, what you do is orient it one way, zero it there, then spin 180 deg in place and record that angle.

then rotate 90 deg and repeat

that measure alone isn’t really meaningful. a sheet metal case isn’t going to be perfectly perpendicular to the gravity vector and doesn’t have to be.

but the change in measurement over 20 hrs is pretty damning.

I’ve also kept a record of the burn marks and they’ve drifted over 20 hrs.

i can realign it at any time but this seems pointless while the rate of drift is high. i did that one night last week during the rain and it was misaligned the next day

i can say this is NOT normal for Tarkin. it does not need regular realignment. there was a problem awhile back that traced to tracked down to a 3d printed #2 mirror mount that expanded too much as it was used and the mirror got hotter than expected too that’s been changed to aluminum, no issue there now.

there was only one other time in recent memory where it misaligned out of nowhere. it did occur when the weather changed and within a few days it rebounded and misaligned in the other direction, pretty much seemed to have returned back to where it was before and i was undoing the prior adjustment

i thought back to earlier times when the laser room’s temp was far from the 27C goal. hotter or colder… mostly hotter. wasn’t accompanied by alignment issues. and that includes cases where I’d expect the average temp through the entire thickness of the slab would have major temp changes too.

so, i don’t think slab temp matters. it’s the flooding saturating the ground under the slab, and then drying out again

Dorian has shown some weird alignment issues too, but it’s a smaller frame so it takes more to put the beam off the edge of a mirror

Any updates on Tarkin’s status, please?

fixed and needs to be green tagged

Good to hear, thanks. Out of curiosity, what ended up being the final diagnosis/solution?