Feedback Needed: Table Router Class

The table router is one of the more dangerous tools in the shop, and one of the most often misused. Many people find it very intimidating, and many others are frustrated with the results they’ve gotten using it. But it is also the most useful and flexible manual tool in the woodshop. Becoming comfortable with it opens up many possibilities for creative woodworking.

Thus I put together an introductory table router class for Asmbly. This was intended to be both a skills class and a project class. The latter means you leave the class with some useful item completed (or nearly so); it’s much more satisfying to see your new skill manifest concretely. This type of class thus has much greater appeal to people who aren’t Asmbly members, which aligns with our outreach goals.

I taught the class twice in August, to a total of six people, to mixed success. Everyone seemed to like the class in general, but there was simply no chance of finishing the project within the allotted time of three hours. And that’s really about as long a class session as you would want to have on a weekday evening.

Another issue was that the design of the carrying tray we were making was tailored towards teaching. Most of the class much preferred the aesthetics of some simpler trays I had made earlier while developing the class. One person had been thinking beforehand of giving the tray as a gift, but afterward he didn’t think it was good enough for that. While minor mis-steps as he was learning did contribute to that, the choice of wood and the particulars of the design were larger factors. In the class description, I called the end result “utilitarian” for a reason.

As I see it, the options for making the class work are:

Option 1) Emphasize the project over the depth of skills. This means building a generally simpler design that most people find more aesthetically pleasing. But it also means not covering groove cutting, which is a pretty fundamental table router skill. But it is also a complex enough skill to eat up a lot of class time.

There are two variations on this: A) Use the relatively cheap pine boards the class was originally designed for. B) Use a higher quality wood. Option A can still produce a nice end product, but it requires a lot more post-class effort in sanding and greater knowledge of proper staining technique to achieve that. Option B should produce a higher quality end product with less post-class time.

Option 2) Emphasize the depth of skills, sidelining the project. Cheaper or even scrap wood could be used for the work in class, and the class would likely be a bit shorter. At the end, the students would receive a detailed design (with a few variations) for the carrying tray and would now have the skills to construct it, but they would have to do so later on their own time with their own lumber.

Option 3) Do both as originally intended, but make the class two nights, for a total of 5-6 hours. Doing that invariably complicates many aspects of managing the class. It might even be possible to arrange the class to cover the skills the first night and do most of the project construction the second night. Someone could then take just the first night or both nights. But that adds even more complications. This option also comes in the A) current wood and B) nicer wood variants.

Currently the class costs $99. Option 1A would cost about the same. Option 1B would be a bit more expensive, perhaps $125. Option 2 would probably be a bit cheaper, depending on how the class length worked out. Option 3 would obviously be much more expensive; I would guess $200 for 3A and $225 for 3B.

A very different option would be to come up with another project altogether, which covered the same basic skills (straight bits, rabbeting bits, pattern bits, roundover bits) but was otherwise much simpler to complete. But I haven’t thought of an alternative that wasn’t of similar complexity.
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I am somewhat leaning towards 1B, the simpler but nicer end product, using nicer wood, taught on a single night, with less content. I’ve taken most of the classes Asmbly has to offer, and I see other teachers tending towards keeping their classes simpler. That said, most of those were certification classes, oriented around the basics of just running the machine at all, with almost no skill development. So they are a somewhat different animal than this class.

I don’t have the “captive audience” aspect of the certification classes, which generates a steady stream of students who just want to be able to use the machine. In the end, I have to create a class that many of you, the members of Asmbly, will want to pay money to take when you have no requirement to do so. Looking through the history of classes here, Asmbly has struggled to keep such classes going.

So I am asking for feedback. Which of these class options would you actually pay money to take? Or is there some other variation/option I haven’t seen?

Ethan, Your write-up with all the options is excellent and quite complete. I have never use the router table at Asmbly, but I own a hand-held router and have used it primarily for roundover on the edges of shelving. In general I take courses to be allowed to use the equipment with the assumption the class teaches you how to use the tool and do it safely. Afterwards I typically do my own project that’s of personal interest to me using the tool to cement the concepts and techniques taught in the class. From this point-of-view I would probably be most interested Option 2.

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Ethan, I have been cutting rabbets and grooves with ease since that class, using a machine I didn’t have much prior experience with. In terms of skills learned, big success!

I suspect most people want to take home a completed object from a class, so if you adopt that as your constraint, it may answer some of the questions. But – a novice taking a basic skills class and expecting to make something of gift quality on their first attempt is ambitious, regardless of materials selection. For the record, the pine trays you made look great.

These questions generally sound like product-market fit problems. What do your customers want, and how much time and money will they commit? One approach to this is to see what others are doing. ASF and Woodcraft both offer multi-session courses, and some of them span weeks and are not inexpensive, so there is one set of data points.

I appreciate your dedication to making better classes, and I would definitely take other classes that you teach in the wood shop. I’m too scared of the metal shop so far :slight_smile:

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Wow, that quite the write up, and I think you covered problem/solution aspect well. Like @bwatt , I would always choose learning the skills over project on a machine I’m not familiar with.

Another option is a two part class. Day one is learning the basics, proper techniques, & safety. Day two would be translating those skills into a project.

I realize this doesn’t help answer the premise of your post: which class & how much, however it does offer the dilemma of skill over project another path forward.

That’s a lot of good thought for this! All options seem great and valid in their own respect.
I haven’t seen the details of your class in or the project you are referring to, so I apologize if I’m missing details in my response.

I think it’s a good start trying to poll folks to see what they might be more interested in. I hope you get some good information for it! I agree that the router table is pretty dangerous for folks that don’t know what they’re doing.

Is there anything stopping you from being able to host variations of the course over time? For example. Maybe one week, or one month. It’s a skills focused set of classes. The next month is a project focused.


Option two and three are great for their own reasons.
Option one can cater to a wide audience depending on the structure; those that have some experience and want to make a project, as well as those with zero experience and want to make a project.

If you are limited to only one choice of class style, consider which one you as the instructor would want to do and tailor the class towards that.
For example, if you go with option in a 3-hour time. Do you want to cater that towards folks that might be able to move fast? If so make sure that’s advertised and made clear to folks. You may be able to get through a project much faster this way. A completely different scenario for option one is you are trying to train people with no experience on the tool. In a formal school, I’ve seen novice students take almost an hour and even more for their first time dialing in sliding dovetail joints. If this is your audience, Factor this in and consider doing more of the setup and letting the students run their pieces of wood through so they at least get the feel of it. Sometimes that’s motivation enough for folks to want to learn more.

As someone who is currently not a member (hoping to change that soon!) I think that option 1 caters much more to the non member/someone who would rather say they did something cool and have something to show for it, than someone who wants to have the confidence and skills to use the machine again on their own time. Option 3 seems like it would be the best overall choice because you get to have your cake and eat it too, but option 2 is a very close second!